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@ Dragan BGD

pre 19 godina

Sorry moja greska. Ucinilo mi se ne znam sto... Kad nema LA GO NETS!!!!!!!
P.S Nisi odgovorio na moje pitanje a bas me zanima odgovor

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

@Milos
Najljubaznije te molim da ne menjas smisao mog teksta.Ja sam napisao da su nosioci IGRE
pomenuta tri pleja,to nema veze s odbranom.
A u predhodnom pasusu govorim da je Finiks poboljsao odbranu,sto je cinjenica i odnosi se na ceo tim.Sve je jasno i odvojeno novim pasusom.
AKO TI NESTO NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ DVA PUTA,AKO TI OPET NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ JOS JEDNOM I SVE TAKO DOK NE SHVATIS.

Miki

pre 19 godina

Bogami, Nash je sinoc igrao odbranu itekako.
radmanovic je bio "vruc", ubacio je pet od pet za tri poena i onda 6 minuta nije primio loptu?!
Mesto toga, Casell ulaxi sa klupe, i mrtav 'ladan sutira trojku iako nije bio u igri 10 minuta a Radmanovic mu se izvuk'o desno, sam samcijat.
Naravno, promasi celu tablu i onda, kud ce sta ce, uvale mu vruc krompir, da sutira tri sekunde pre kraja.
Pola Finiksa na njemu.
Kako, keve ti da pogodi?

riquelme

pre 19 godina

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

Kako sam se slatko nasmejao...Krstic's 10 bricks:)

total eclipse

pre 19 godina

Ja iz sve te statistike zakljucih samo jednu stvar: Finiks je jaci na spoljnim pozicijama, a Klipersi pod kosem. I to je sva mudrost. A to smo mogli da shvatimo i bez detalja iz statistike. Mislim da Finiks dobro prolazi kroz ovaj plej of samo zato sto igra protiv dve ekipe sa velikim slabostima: Klipersi su tim koji nema iskustva u plej ofu, a ima komplekse za izvoz, i moje velike simpatije za njih jos od kraja 80-ih nece to moci da promene. Lejkersi su izuzetno slab tim, sa jednim vanserijskim igracem, jednim solidnim i gomilom onih, koji bi sutra mogli da predju u Toronto, a da se to i ne primeti na rezultatima Reptorsa. I tu ne moze da pomogne jedan plejmejker, mozda bi ih ucinio malo konkurentnijim protiv Sansa, ali bi protiv Dalasa ili SA bili pocisceni, bas kao i protiv Detroita ili Majamija. Neko se u toj organizaciji malo zeznuo u vreme kad su trener i glavna zvezda otisli i oporavak ce potrajati. Bar dotle, dok neka superzvezda ne odluci da kao free agent dodje u LA zbog lagodnog zivota (vidi pod: Shaq posle Orlanda). To je prica o Lejkersima, a ne Kobijeva (nesumnjiva) sebicnost. On nema izbora.
Finiks je provincijski klub, sa velikim brojem dobrih igraca, najsmesnijim MVP-jem u istoriji (pogledajte na ESPN pricu o deset najboljih plejeva u istoriji, uporedite Nesovu statistiku sa Medzikovom i bice vam jasno), ali bez mogucnosti da se adekvatno bori za titulu.
Sto se licnih sklonosti, svakako vise volim da gledam trcanje i pucanje Sansa, nego smaracku kosarku Detroita ili SA. Samo, to nece da moze u plej ofu.

Nesa

pre 19 godina

Evo sta Charley Rosen kaze o razlozima poraza Netsa:

Giving the ball to Carter was bad idea

There are several reasons why the Nets lost Game 3, 103-92, at home against Miami — all of them ugly ones.

Let's consider Nenad Krstic for starters. The second-year player, whom the Nets have touted as a budding All-Star, was aggravatingly ineffective. With Shaq's sheer bulk and Alonzo Mourning's manic energy virtually closing the middle, Krstic was left with open jumpers galore. Unfortunately, the young man failed to hit a single jumper in 10 tries. That's 0-10, folks! To compound his misery, Krstic was also 0-2 from the foul line.

Next up on the bad-news list is backup point guard Jacque Vaughn. Sure, he made a nifty step-back jumper when a switch put him in a one-on-one situation with Shaq. But what helped kill the Nets were Vaughn's dumb fouls early in the fourth quarter when he put too much pressure first on Gary Payton, and then on Jason Williams much too far from the basket. How far? How about 35-40 feet. As a result, the Nets were over the foul limit early in the deciding quarter. In all, Miami had 40 free throws to the Nets' 20.

After scoring 15 points in the first half, Richard Jefferson added only another deuce to his total. And his six assists were negated by his team-high five turnovers.

But the biggest choker in a white uniform was Vince Carter. Despite his Hall-of-Fame stat line — 17-34 FG, 3 assists, and 43 points — Carter was a dud in the endgame.

In the last four minutes of what was at the time a very close contest, Lawrence Frank decided to scrap New Jersey's motion offense, take the ball out of Jason Kidd's hands, and run various isolations and high screen/rolls for Carter. Here's what Carter produced:

One made and two missed layups.
A sweet turnaround-jumper, and a 19-foot pull-up that both made the net dance.
A drive that drew a foul and earned two free throws for Carter, who made them both.
Three turnovers, two of which were caused by Shaq's aggressive presence on the far side of screen/rolls. And two of which directly led to Miami scores on a fast break as well as an early-offense situation.
Total stagnation in the Nets' offense.
Kidd's lack of involvement caused him to lose his touch, and when he finally got a chance to do something, he short-armed an entry pass into a posted Jefferson. Another turnover that led to another Miami fast-break bucket.

During this most critical period of the game, Carter was in the driver's seat for nine possessions. He tallied eight points and made mistakes that enabled Miami to score four points. That's a net result of four points in nine go-to forays. Compare this with the 1.1 points per possession that NBA teams expect to produce.

In the last 90 seconds, with the game already lost, here's what else Carter did:


Made a tricky driving layup.
Missed two free throws.
Missed a layup.
Bagged a long 3-ball.
All of these latter deeds came too late to influence anything except the point spread.

The last perpetrator of the Nyets' folderoo was on New Jersey's bench: Lawrence Frank, who put the game in Carter's shaky hands, knowing full well VC's history of choking in the clutch during the money season.

Who else had major roles in the outcome?

Dwyane Wade who was floored in the second quarter, but not KOed, by a stray elbow from a driving Carter. Still groggy, Wade didn't register his initial points in the second half until 4:22 in the third quarter — and went on to spearhead the Heat's winning rally.

Antoine Walker, who actually played adequate send-half defense against Jefferson, and who kept the Heat in touch with a flurry of third-quarter 3-pointers.

Shaq, who committed his share of stupid fouls, but played incredibly agile defense when Carter tried to win the game all by himself. Interestingly enough, the Nets rarely doubled Shaq, digging from the top instead. They also made a commitment to try to deny Shaq the baseline and to push him into the middle instead. The two times he was able to turn to the baseline (from the left box), he was suckered into an offensive foul; and, when Jason Collins stepped back and failed to provide any expected resistance, he stumbled and missed an awkward side-arm jumper.

The Nets' defensive ploy worked more than it failed. If Shaq was 4-4 on dunks (via offensive rebounds and lob passes), he was only 3-10 when he wheeled to the middle.

If the game featured plenty of heroes and plenty of villains, several conclusions can be drawn from the action.

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

The Nets can't win if they don't run. Because their own transition defense was awful, because their half-court defense wasn't much better (any time Miami reversed the ball they found open shots), and because Carter disdains fast-break basketball, New Jersey mostly played half-court offense.

The Nets can't win if they let Wade get into the paint. DW was 3-8 from the perimeter, and his drives put him on the stripe 14 times (he made 13, and scored a total of 30 points).

As far as this series is concerned, maybe it's as simple as this: The Nets can't win.

mail

pre 19 godina

Ko se iole razume u kosarku, navija za Finiks i Dalas (to je kosarka buducnosti). Nadam se takvom finalu na zapadu. Sto se tice dirigovanog zreba u NBA, nadam se da ce uskoro postati proslost.

Milos BG

pre 19 godina

@ Dragan BGD
Pa dobro da li moze da prodje jedan tvoj komentar a da ne potkacis i ne pljujes po Brajantu: Slazem se da je statistika veoma bitna za analizu utakmice i cinka igraca ali ona mnogo toga ne pokazuje i mnogo stvari iz nje ne moze da se vidi. NES KOMANDUJE ODBRANOM FINIKSA???!!! Nisam se sladje nasmejao duze vremena. Pa on NE IGRA odbranu. Samo mi daj komentar na ovo bas zelim da cujem tvoje misljenje:
Covek koji je najbolji strelac lige, medju 5(6) najboljih defanzivaca lige, doveo potpuno prosecan tim do 7. pozicije na zapadu - tek cetvrti u MVP glasanju. Da li je to realno i normalno?

AK

pre 19 godina

Zaboravili ste da napisete da je Radmanovic promasio sut za produzetak. Posle sutiranja 5-5 za trojke promasio je kad je najvaznije. I to se generalno zamera svim nasim igracima (Divcu, Pedji...) da nikad nisu pogodili odlucujuce suteve. To naravno ne osporava njihov uspeh ali bi mi bilo draze da nasi odluce neku utakmicu. Zato smo mi bili najbolji ( a ne samo odlicni) jer su nam igraci kao Djordjevic, Danilovic, Bodiroga pogadjali kad je bilo najvaznije.

baki

pre 19 godina

Ocajna partija naseg Krleta. Usudio bih se reci, uz 3 prodate lopte na pola terena (2 Carter, 1 Kidd) kada se lomio rezultat, par minuta pred kraj, glavni razlog za sinocni poraz. Nazalost, mislim da ce se NJ tesko oporaviti do kraja serije. Inace, Krleta ne sluzi sut citavu seriju, s'tim sto je zadnja utakmica vrhunac. Krle je promasio SVE otvorene suteve juce. Strucni komentatori (Hjubi Brown) su sve vreme ukazivali na to kako je on kljucni igrac i kako Netsi treba da nastave da idu kroz njega, cak i ako ga ne ide sut. Kako treba da sutira sve dok ne pocne da pogadja. Nazalost, to "pocne da pogadja" se nije desilo do kraja utakmice. Nazalost, bio sam u pravu kada sam u jednom predjasnjem komentaru rekao kako ce imati velike probleme sa Udonis Haslemom, koji je nizi, brzi, i snazniji igrac od njega (ruku na srce, nije sve njegova zasluga, jer kao sto sam rekao, to su bili otvoreni sutevi). Steta...

Detroit

pre 19 godina

Iz izvestaja se to ne vidi ali nasi momci su u neku ruku juce bili tragicari.

Krstic je odigrao jednu od najlosijih utakmica ove sezone. Imao se utisak da se plasi da sutira. Jednostavno, umesto da sutira on u zadnjoj sekundi napada daje loptu nekome na trojci i naravno promasaj. Haslem jeste dobar odbrambeni igrac ali je Krle je ipak bar do sinocne utakmice bio bolji. Da je Krle bio malo bolji Netsi bi verovatno pobedili.

Radmanovic je opet odigrao najbolju utakmicu od kada je dosao u Kliperse. Sut ga je fantasticno sluzio i ubacio je zaredom pet trojki i doveo Kliperse iz izgubljene pozicije blizu pobede. Cak i onaj sut od dva poena dosao je kao rezultat borbe pod kosem gde je Vlade uspio da se izbori (neobicno za njega) za kos pored buketa domacih igraca.
Nazalost, u zadnjoj sekundi, kada je Feniks vodio sa tri poena razlike Radmanovic je promasio trojku i pogodio obruc. (Eto nije vise Stojakovic usamljen!). Bila je to istina teska situcija, sut iz pokreta pored trojice domacih koji su ga ometali. No da je pogodio igrali bi se produzeci i Radman bi bio ‘junacina’ !

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

Finiks je vratio brejk najvise zahvaljujuci Merionu 32p,19sk.4kr.3.as.1bl. sut iz igre 50 posto.To je formula uspesne igre,a ne 50 poena,3sk.2as.Gde je snaga Finiksa-U tome da imaju vise igraca koji mogu da imaju svoj dan,jednom je to Nes,drugi put Merion,pa Diao,Tomas,Bel,Barbosa... A sve zato sto igraju timski,pa kad imas 5 igraca koji mogu da odluce mec mnogo je lakse,nego kad sve zavisi od jednog.
U celom plej-ofu Finiks ni na jednoj utakmici nije imao vise skokova od protivnika zna se i zasto(nema Amarea),ali oni imaju resenje.Prosle utakmice su imali 31 skok manje(!!!),zato su u medjuvremenu morali nesto da ucine,a to je znacilo - ubrzati igru,ici na licne greske,sto je dovelo do toga da je glavni skakac Kejmen skocio samo 7 puta a igrao 33 minuta jer je zaradio 6 licnih. I na kraju su zavrsili sa
samo jednim skokom manje(47-46)i uprkos nesto slabijem procentu suta iz igre,imali su
nekoliko kradja vise a izgubljenih lopti manje a pobedili su zbog 9 poena vise iz slobodnih bacanja.
Oni koji se stalno podsmevaju statistici valjda ce jednom shvatiti da bez statistike ne mozes da napravis analizu utakmice ne samo svog tima nego i protivnickog.A posle je sve lakse.Uzgred TIMSKA igra ima veliku
prednost nad INDIVIDUALNOM jer samim tim imas na raspolaganju VELIKI REPERTOAR i u toku meca menjas taktiku,postavku igraca,tempo...jer ce se uvek naci igrac kome tog dana IDE SVE OD RUKE i onda on preuzima odgovornost.Zato su San Antonio,Detroit,Finiks i ostali godinama uspesni,a ovi drugi nisu.Napominjem i to da je Finiks u odnosu na proslu godinu znatno poboljsao kvalitet odbrane.
I pogledajte ko diktira igru u ovim timovima:
Nes,Consi,Parker,Djinobili a prva trojica su
medju 20 najboljih igraca ove sezone i najbolji na poziciji 1.
Prvi igrac kojeg Lejkersi moraju da kupe za
iducu sezonu je pravi plejmejker,a ne da Kobi igra nekad na tri pozicije a veoma cesto je i 1 i 2, igrajuci pleja, umesto da
asistira, on sutira i zato ima slab procenat.
Procvetao bi,kada bi imao Nesa ili Parkera,samo je pitanje da li bi mogao podneti da jos neko deli kolac s njim.

Chicago

pre 19 godina

Nazalost, nass Krstic je odigrao losse, 14 suteva za samo 8 poena. I TV komentator je bio neprijatno iznenadjen njegovom losom igrom. Izvanredna Karterova igra i 43 poena nisu bili dovoljni za pobedu. Nije imao dovoljno pomoci od saigraca. Kidd samo 10 poena. Utakmica je odlucena u zadnjoj cetvrtini koju je Miami dobio sa 31:20. Radmanovic je, posle duzeg vremena, bio vrlo dobar. Trebalo je da dobije vecu minutazzu u ovom susretu. Smatram da je trener Klipersa izgubio utakmicu.

Chicago

pre 19 godina

Nazalost, nass Krstic je odigrao losse, 14 suteva za samo 8 poena. I TV komentator je bio neprijatno iznenadjen njegovom losom igrom. Izvanredna Karterova igra i 43 poena nisu bili dovoljni za pobedu. Nije imao dovoljno pomoci od saigraca. Kidd samo 10 poena. Utakmica je odlucena u zadnjoj cetvrtini koju je Miami dobio sa 31:20. Radmanovic je, posle duzeg vremena, bio vrlo dobar. Trebalo je da dobije vecu minutazzu u ovom susretu. Smatram da je trener Klipersa izgubio utakmicu.

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

Finiks je vratio brejk najvise zahvaljujuci Merionu 32p,19sk.4kr.3.as.1bl. sut iz igre 50 posto.To je formula uspesne igre,a ne 50 poena,3sk.2as.Gde je snaga Finiksa-U tome da imaju vise igraca koji mogu da imaju svoj dan,jednom je to Nes,drugi put Merion,pa Diao,Tomas,Bel,Barbosa... A sve zato sto igraju timski,pa kad imas 5 igraca koji mogu da odluce mec mnogo je lakse,nego kad sve zavisi od jednog.
U celom plej-ofu Finiks ni na jednoj utakmici nije imao vise skokova od protivnika zna se i zasto(nema Amarea),ali oni imaju resenje.Prosle utakmice su imali 31 skok manje(!!!),zato su u medjuvremenu morali nesto da ucine,a to je znacilo - ubrzati igru,ici na licne greske,sto je dovelo do toga da je glavni skakac Kejmen skocio samo 7 puta a igrao 33 minuta jer je zaradio 6 licnih. I na kraju su zavrsili sa
samo jednim skokom manje(47-46)i uprkos nesto slabijem procentu suta iz igre,imali su
nekoliko kradja vise a izgubljenih lopti manje a pobedili su zbog 9 poena vise iz slobodnih bacanja.
Oni koji se stalno podsmevaju statistici valjda ce jednom shvatiti da bez statistike ne mozes da napravis analizu utakmice ne samo svog tima nego i protivnickog.A posle je sve lakse.Uzgred TIMSKA igra ima veliku
prednost nad INDIVIDUALNOM jer samim tim imas na raspolaganju VELIKI REPERTOAR i u toku meca menjas taktiku,postavku igraca,tempo...jer ce se uvek naci igrac kome tog dana IDE SVE OD RUKE i onda on preuzima odgovornost.Zato su San Antonio,Detroit,Finiks i ostali godinama uspesni,a ovi drugi nisu.Napominjem i to da je Finiks u odnosu na proslu godinu znatno poboljsao kvalitet odbrane.
I pogledajte ko diktira igru u ovim timovima:
Nes,Consi,Parker,Djinobili a prva trojica su
medju 20 najboljih igraca ove sezone i najbolji na poziciji 1.
Prvi igrac kojeg Lejkersi moraju da kupe za
iducu sezonu je pravi plejmejker,a ne da Kobi igra nekad na tri pozicije a veoma cesto je i 1 i 2, igrajuci pleja, umesto da
asistira, on sutira i zato ima slab procenat.
Procvetao bi,kada bi imao Nesa ili Parkera,samo je pitanje da li bi mogao podneti da jos neko deli kolac s njim.

Detroit

pre 19 godina

Iz izvestaja se to ne vidi ali nasi momci su u neku ruku juce bili tragicari.

Krstic je odigrao jednu od najlosijih utakmica ove sezone. Imao se utisak da se plasi da sutira. Jednostavno, umesto da sutira on u zadnjoj sekundi napada daje loptu nekome na trojci i naravno promasaj. Haslem jeste dobar odbrambeni igrac ali je Krle je ipak bar do sinocne utakmice bio bolji. Da je Krle bio malo bolji Netsi bi verovatno pobedili.

Radmanovic je opet odigrao najbolju utakmicu od kada je dosao u Kliperse. Sut ga je fantasticno sluzio i ubacio je zaredom pet trojki i doveo Kliperse iz izgubljene pozicije blizu pobede. Cak i onaj sut od dva poena dosao je kao rezultat borbe pod kosem gde je Vlade uspio da se izbori (neobicno za njega) za kos pored buketa domacih igraca.
Nazalost, u zadnjoj sekundi, kada je Feniks vodio sa tri poena razlike Radmanovic je promasio trojku i pogodio obruc. (Eto nije vise Stojakovic usamljen!). Bila je to istina teska situcija, sut iz pokreta pored trojice domacih koji su ga ometali. No da je pogodio igrali bi se produzeci i Radman bi bio ‘junacina’ !

AK

pre 19 godina

Zaboravili ste da napisete da je Radmanovic promasio sut za produzetak. Posle sutiranja 5-5 za trojke promasio je kad je najvaznije. I to se generalno zamera svim nasim igracima (Divcu, Pedji...) da nikad nisu pogodili odlucujuce suteve. To naravno ne osporava njihov uspeh ali bi mi bilo draze da nasi odluce neku utakmicu. Zato smo mi bili najbolji ( a ne samo odlicni) jer su nam igraci kao Djordjevic, Danilovic, Bodiroga pogadjali kad je bilo najvaznije.

baki

pre 19 godina

Ocajna partija naseg Krleta. Usudio bih se reci, uz 3 prodate lopte na pola terena (2 Carter, 1 Kidd) kada se lomio rezultat, par minuta pred kraj, glavni razlog za sinocni poraz. Nazalost, mislim da ce se NJ tesko oporaviti do kraja serije. Inace, Krleta ne sluzi sut citavu seriju, s'tim sto je zadnja utakmica vrhunac. Krle je promasio SVE otvorene suteve juce. Strucni komentatori (Hjubi Brown) su sve vreme ukazivali na to kako je on kljucni igrac i kako Netsi treba da nastave da idu kroz njega, cak i ako ga ne ide sut. Kako treba da sutira sve dok ne pocne da pogadja. Nazalost, to "pocne da pogadja" se nije desilo do kraja utakmice. Nazalost, bio sam u pravu kada sam u jednom predjasnjem komentaru rekao kako ce imati velike probleme sa Udonis Haslemom, koji je nizi, brzi, i snazniji igrac od njega (ruku na srce, nije sve njegova zasluga, jer kao sto sam rekao, to su bili otvoreni sutevi). Steta...

Milos BG

pre 19 godina

@ Dragan BGD
Pa dobro da li moze da prodje jedan tvoj komentar a da ne potkacis i ne pljujes po Brajantu: Slazem se da je statistika veoma bitna za analizu utakmice i cinka igraca ali ona mnogo toga ne pokazuje i mnogo stvari iz nje ne moze da se vidi. NES KOMANDUJE ODBRANOM FINIKSA???!!! Nisam se sladje nasmejao duze vremena. Pa on NE IGRA odbranu. Samo mi daj komentar na ovo bas zelim da cujem tvoje misljenje:
Covek koji je najbolji strelac lige, medju 5(6) najboljih defanzivaca lige, doveo potpuno prosecan tim do 7. pozicije na zapadu - tek cetvrti u MVP glasanju. Da li je to realno i normalno?

mail

pre 19 godina

Ko se iole razume u kosarku, navija za Finiks i Dalas (to je kosarka buducnosti). Nadam se takvom finalu na zapadu. Sto se tice dirigovanog zreba u NBA, nadam se da ce uskoro postati proslost.

Nesa

pre 19 godina

Evo sta Charley Rosen kaze o razlozima poraza Netsa:

Giving the ball to Carter was bad idea

There are several reasons why the Nets lost Game 3, 103-92, at home against Miami — all of them ugly ones.

Let's consider Nenad Krstic for starters. The second-year player, whom the Nets have touted as a budding All-Star, was aggravatingly ineffective. With Shaq's sheer bulk and Alonzo Mourning's manic energy virtually closing the middle, Krstic was left with open jumpers galore. Unfortunately, the young man failed to hit a single jumper in 10 tries. That's 0-10, folks! To compound his misery, Krstic was also 0-2 from the foul line.

Next up on the bad-news list is backup point guard Jacque Vaughn. Sure, he made a nifty step-back jumper when a switch put him in a one-on-one situation with Shaq. But what helped kill the Nets were Vaughn's dumb fouls early in the fourth quarter when he put too much pressure first on Gary Payton, and then on Jason Williams much too far from the basket. How far? How about 35-40 feet. As a result, the Nets were over the foul limit early in the deciding quarter. In all, Miami had 40 free throws to the Nets' 20.

After scoring 15 points in the first half, Richard Jefferson added only another deuce to his total. And his six assists were negated by his team-high five turnovers.

But the biggest choker in a white uniform was Vince Carter. Despite his Hall-of-Fame stat line — 17-34 FG, 3 assists, and 43 points — Carter was a dud in the endgame.

In the last four minutes of what was at the time a very close contest, Lawrence Frank decided to scrap New Jersey's motion offense, take the ball out of Jason Kidd's hands, and run various isolations and high screen/rolls for Carter. Here's what Carter produced:

One made and two missed layups.
A sweet turnaround-jumper, and a 19-foot pull-up that both made the net dance.
A drive that drew a foul and earned two free throws for Carter, who made them both.
Three turnovers, two of which were caused by Shaq's aggressive presence on the far side of screen/rolls. And two of which directly led to Miami scores on a fast break as well as an early-offense situation.
Total stagnation in the Nets' offense.
Kidd's lack of involvement caused him to lose his touch, and when he finally got a chance to do something, he short-armed an entry pass into a posted Jefferson. Another turnover that led to another Miami fast-break bucket.

During this most critical period of the game, Carter was in the driver's seat for nine possessions. He tallied eight points and made mistakes that enabled Miami to score four points. That's a net result of four points in nine go-to forays. Compare this with the 1.1 points per possession that NBA teams expect to produce.

In the last 90 seconds, with the game already lost, here's what else Carter did:


Made a tricky driving layup.
Missed two free throws.
Missed a layup.
Bagged a long 3-ball.
All of these latter deeds came too late to influence anything except the point spread.

The last perpetrator of the Nyets' folderoo was on New Jersey's bench: Lawrence Frank, who put the game in Carter's shaky hands, knowing full well VC's history of choking in the clutch during the money season.

Who else had major roles in the outcome?

Dwyane Wade who was floored in the second quarter, but not KOed, by a stray elbow from a driving Carter. Still groggy, Wade didn't register his initial points in the second half until 4:22 in the third quarter — and went on to spearhead the Heat's winning rally.

Antoine Walker, who actually played adequate send-half defense against Jefferson, and who kept the Heat in touch with a flurry of third-quarter 3-pointers.

Shaq, who committed his share of stupid fouls, but played incredibly agile defense when Carter tried to win the game all by himself. Interestingly enough, the Nets rarely doubled Shaq, digging from the top instead. They also made a commitment to try to deny Shaq the baseline and to push him into the middle instead. The two times he was able to turn to the baseline (from the left box), he was suckered into an offensive foul; and, when Jason Collins stepped back and failed to provide any expected resistance, he stumbled and missed an awkward side-arm jumper.

The Nets' defensive ploy worked more than it failed. If Shaq was 4-4 on dunks (via offensive rebounds and lob passes), he was only 3-10 when he wheeled to the middle.

If the game featured plenty of heroes and plenty of villains, several conclusions can be drawn from the action.

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

The Nets can't win if they don't run. Because their own transition defense was awful, because their half-court defense wasn't much better (any time Miami reversed the ball they found open shots), and because Carter disdains fast-break basketball, New Jersey mostly played half-court offense.

The Nets can't win if they let Wade get into the paint. DW was 3-8 from the perimeter, and his drives put him on the stripe 14 times (he made 13, and scored a total of 30 points).

As far as this series is concerned, maybe it's as simple as this: The Nets can't win.

Miki

pre 19 godina

Bogami, Nash je sinoc igrao odbranu itekako.
radmanovic je bio "vruc", ubacio je pet od pet za tri poena i onda 6 minuta nije primio loptu?!
Mesto toga, Casell ulaxi sa klupe, i mrtav 'ladan sutira trojku iako nije bio u igri 10 minuta a Radmanovic mu se izvuk'o desno, sam samcijat.
Naravno, promasi celu tablu i onda, kud ce sta ce, uvale mu vruc krompir, da sutira tri sekunde pre kraja.
Pola Finiksa na njemu.
Kako, keve ti da pogodi?

riquelme

pre 19 godina

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

Kako sam se slatko nasmejao...Krstic's 10 bricks:)

total eclipse

pre 19 godina

Ja iz sve te statistike zakljucih samo jednu stvar: Finiks je jaci na spoljnim pozicijama, a Klipersi pod kosem. I to je sva mudrost. A to smo mogli da shvatimo i bez detalja iz statistike. Mislim da Finiks dobro prolazi kroz ovaj plej of samo zato sto igra protiv dve ekipe sa velikim slabostima: Klipersi su tim koji nema iskustva u plej ofu, a ima komplekse za izvoz, i moje velike simpatije za njih jos od kraja 80-ih nece to moci da promene. Lejkersi su izuzetno slab tim, sa jednim vanserijskim igracem, jednim solidnim i gomilom onih, koji bi sutra mogli da predju u Toronto, a da se to i ne primeti na rezultatima Reptorsa. I tu ne moze da pomogne jedan plejmejker, mozda bi ih ucinio malo konkurentnijim protiv Sansa, ali bi protiv Dalasa ili SA bili pocisceni, bas kao i protiv Detroita ili Majamija. Neko se u toj organizaciji malo zeznuo u vreme kad su trener i glavna zvezda otisli i oporavak ce potrajati. Bar dotle, dok neka superzvezda ne odluci da kao free agent dodje u LA zbog lagodnog zivota (vidi pod: Shaq posle Orlanda). To je prica o Lejkersima, a ne Kobijeva (nesumnjiva) sebicnost. On nema izbora.
Finiks je provincijski klub, sa velikim brojem dobrih igraca, najsmesnijim MVP-jem u istoriji (pogledajte na ESPN pricu o deset najboljih plejeva u istoriji, uporedite Nesovu statistiku sa Medzikovom i bice vam jasno), ali bez mogucnosti da se adekvatno bori za titulu.
Sto se licnih sklonosti, svakako vise volim da gledam trcanje i pucanje Sansa, nego smaracku kosarku Detroita ili SA. Samo, to nece da moze u plej ofu.

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

@Milos
Najljubaznije te molim da ne menjas smisao mog teksta.Ja sam napisao da su nosioci IGRE
pomenuta tri pleja,to nema veze s odbranom.
A u predhodnom pasusu govorim da je Finiks poboljsao odbranu,sto je cinjenica i odnosi se na ceo tim.Sve je jasno i odvojeno novim pasusom.
AKO TI NESTO NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ DVA PUTA,AKO TI OPET NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ JOS JEDNOM I SVE TAKO DOK NE SHVATIS.

@ Dragan BGD

pre 19 godina

Sorry moja greska. Ucinilo mi se ne znam sto... Kad nema LA GO NETS!!!!!!!
P.S Nisi odgovorio na moje pitanje a bas me zanima odgovor

Chicago

pre 19 godina

Nazalost, nass Krstic je odigrao losse, 14 suteva za samo 8 poena. I TV komentator je bio neprijatno iznenadjen njegovom losom igrom. Izvanredna Karterova igra i 43 poena nisu bili dovoljni za pobedu. Nije imao dovoljno pomoci od saigraca. Kidd samo 10 poena. Utakmica je odlucena u zadnjoj cetvrtini koju je Miami dobio sa 31:20. Radmanovic je, posle duzeg vremena, bio vrlo dobar. Trebalo je da dobije vecu minutazzu u ovom susretu. Smatram da je trener Klipersa izgubio utakmicu.

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

Finiks je vratio brejk najvise zahvaljujuci Merionu 32p,19sk.4kr.3.as.1bl. sut iz igre 50 posto.To je formula uspesne igre,a ne 50 poena,3sk.2as.Gde je snaga Finiksa-U tome da imaju vise igraca koji mogu da imaju svoj dan,jednom je to Nes,drugi put Merion,pa Diao,Tomas,Bel,Barbosa... A sve zato sto igraju timski,pa kad imas 5 igraca koji mogu da odluce mec mnogo je lakse,nego kad sve zavisi od jednog.
U celom plej-ofu Finiks ni na jednoj utakmici nije imao vise skokova od protivnika zna se i zasto(nema Amarea),ali oni imaju resenje.Prosle utakmice su imali 31 skok manje(!!!),zato su u medjuvremenu morali nesto da ucine,a to je znacilo - ubrzati igru,ici na licne greske,sto je dovelo do toga da je glavni skakac Kejmen skocio samo 7 puta a igrao 33 minuta jer je zaradio 6 licnih. I na kraju su zavrsili sa
samo jednim skokom manje(47-46)i uprkos nesto slabijem procentu suta iz igre,imali su
nekoliko kradja vise a izgubljenih lopti manje a pobedili su zbog 9 poena vise iz slobodnih bacanja.
Oni koji se stalno podsmevaju statistici valjda ce jednom shvatiti da bez statistike ne mozes da napravis analizu utakmice ne samo svog tima nego i protivnickog.A posle je sve lakse.Uzgred TIMSKA igra ima veliku
prednost nad INDIVIDUALNOM jer samim tim imas na raspolaganju VELIKI REPERTOAR i u toku meca menjas taktiku,postavku igraca,tempo...jer ce se uvek naci igrac kome tog dana IDE SVE OD RUKE i onda on preuzima odgovornost.Zato su San Antonio,Detroit,Finiks i ostali godinama uspesni,a ovi drugi nisu.Napominjem i to da je Finiks u odnosu na proslu godinu znatno poboljsao kvalitet odbrane.
I pogledajte ko diktira igru u ovim timovima:
Nes,Consi,Parker,Djinobili a prva trojica su
medju 20 najboljih igraca ove sezone i najbolji na poziciji 1.
Prvi igrac kojeg Lejkersi moraju da kupe za
iducu sezonu je pravi plejmejker,a ne da Kobi igra nekad na tri pozicije a veoma cesto je i 1 i 2, igrajuci pleja, umesto da
asistira, on sutira i zato ima slab procenat.
Procvetao bi,kada bi imao Nesa ili Parkera,samo je pitanje da li bi mogao podneti da jos neko deli kolac s njim.

Detroit

pre 19 godina

Iz izvestaja se to ne vidi ali nasi momci su u neku ruku juce bili tragicari.

Krstic je odigrao jednu od najlosijih utakmica ove sezone. Imao se utisak da se plasi da sutira. Jednostavno, umesto da sutira on u zadnjoj sekundi napada daje loptu nekome na trojci i naravno promasaj. Haslem jeste dobar odbrambeni igrac ali je Krle je ipak bar do sinocne utakmice bio bolji. Da je Krle bio malo bolji Netsi bi verovatno pobedili.

Radmanovic je opet odigrao najbolju utakmicu od kada je dosao u Kliperse. Sut ga je fantasticno sluzio i ubacio je zaredom pet trojki i doveo Kliperse iz izgubljene pozicije blizu pobede. Cak i onaj sut od dva poena dosao je kao rezultat borbe pod kosem gde je Vlade uspio da se izbori (neobicno za njega) za kos pored buketa domacih igraca.
Nazalost, u zadnjoj sekundi, kada je Feniks vodio sa tri poena razlike Radmanovic je promasio trojku i pogodio obruc. (Eto nije vise Stojakovic usamljen!). Bila je to istina teska situcija, sut iz pokreta pored trojice domacih koji su ga ometali. No da je pogodio igrali bi se produzeci i Radman bi bio ‘junacina’ !

AK

pre 19 godina

Zaboravili ste da napisete da je Radmanovic promasio sut za produzetak. Posle sutiranja 5-5 za trojke promasio je kad je najvaznije. I to se generalno zamera svim nasim igracima (Divcu, Pedji...) da nikad nisu pogodili odlucujuce suteve. To naravno ne osporava njihov uspeh ali bi mi bilo draze da nasi odluce neku utakmicu. Zato smo mi bili najbolji ( a ne samo odlicni) jer su nam igraci kao Djordjevic, Danilovic, Bodiroga pogadjali kad je bilo najvaznije.

baki

pre 19 godina

Ocajna partija naseg Krleta. Usudio bih se reci, uz 3 prodate lopte na pola terena (2 Carter, 1 Kidd) kada se lomio rezultat, par minuta pred kraj, glavni razlog za sinocni poraz. Nazalost, mislim da ce se NJ tesko oporaviti do kraja serije. Inace, Krleta ne sluzi sut citavu seriju, s'tim sto je zadnja utakmica vrhunac. Krle je promasio SVE otvorene suteve juce. Strucni komentatori (Hjubi Brown) su sve vreme ukazivali na to kako je on kljucni igrac i kako Netsi treba da nastave da idu kroz njega, cak i ako ga ne ide sut. Kako treba da sutira sve dok ne pocne da pogadja. Nazalost, to "pocne da pogadja" se nije desilo do kraja utakmice. Nazalost, bio sam u pravu kada sam u jednom predjasnjem komentaru rekao kako ce imati velike probleme sa Udonis Haslemom, koji je nizi, brzi, i snazniji igrac od njega (ruku na srce, nije sve njegova zasluga, jer kao sto sam rekao, to su bili otvoreni sutevi). Steta...

Milos BG

pre 19 godina

@ Dragan BGD
Pa dobro da li moze da prodje jedan tvoj komentar a da ne potkacis i ne pljujes po Brajantu: Slazem se da je statistika veoma bitna za analizu utakmice i cinka igraca ali ona mnogo toga ne pokazuje i mnogo stvari iz nje ne moze da se vidi. NES KOMANDUJE ODBRANOM FINIKSA???!!! Nisam se sladje nasmejao duze vremena. Pa on NE IGRA odbranu. Samo mi daj komentar na ovo bas zelim da cujem tvoje misljenje:
Covek koji je najbolji strelac lige, medju 5(6) najboljih defanzivaca lige, doveo potpuno prosecan tim do 7. pozicije na zapadu - tek cetvrti u MVP glasanju. Da li je to realno i normalno?

mail

pre 19 godina

Ko se iole razume u kosarku, navija za Finiks i Dalas (to je kosarka buducnosti). Nadam se takvom finalu na zapadu. Sto se tice dirigovanog zreba u NBA, nadam se da ce uskoro postati proslost.

Nesa

pre 19 godina

Evo sta Charley Rosen kaze o razlozima poraza Netsa:

Giving the ball to Carter was bad idea

There are several reasons why the Nets lost Game 3, 103-92, at home against Miami — all of them ugly ones.

Let's consider Nenad Krstic for starters. The second-year player, whom the Nets have touted as a budding All-Star, was aggravatingly ineffective. With Shaq's sheer bulk and Alonzo Mourning's manic energy virtually closing the middle, Krstic was left with open jumpers galore. Unfortunately, the young man failed to hit a single jumper in 10 tries. That's 0-10, folks! To compound his misery, Krstic was also 0-2 from the foul line.

Next up on the bad-news list is backup point guard Jacque Vaughn. Sure, he made a nifty step-back jumper when a switch put him in a one-on-one situation with Shaq. But what helped kill the Nets were Vaughn's dumb fouls early in the fourth quarter when he put too much pressure first on Gary Payton, and then on Jason Williams much too far from the basket. How far? How about 35-40 feet. As a result, the Nets were over the foul limit early in the deciding quarter. In all, Miami had 40 free throws to the Nets' 20.

After scoring 15 points in the first half, Richard Jefferson added only another deuce to his total. And his six assists were negated by his team-high five turnovers.

But the biggest choker in a white uniform was Vince Carter. Despite his Hall-of-Fame stat line — 17-34 FG, 3 assists, and 43 points — Carter was a dud in the endgame.

In the last four minutes of what was at the time a very close contest, Lawrence Frank decided to scrap New Jersey's motion offense, take the ball out of Jason Kidd's hands, and run various isolations and high screen/rolls for Carter. Here's what Carter produced:

One made and two missed layups.
A sweet turnaround-jumper, and a 19-foot pull-up that both made the net dance.
A drive that drew a foul and earned two free throws for Carter, who made them both.
Three turnovers, two of which were caused by Shaq's aggressive presence on the far side of screen/rolls. And two of which directly led to Miami scores on a fast break as well as an early-offense situation.
Total stagnation in the Nets' offense.
Kidd's lack of involvement caused him to lose his touch, and when he finally got a chance to do something, he short-armed an entry pass into a posted Jefferson. Another turnover that led to another Miami fast-break bucket.

During this most critical period of the game, Carter was in the driver's seat for nine possessions. He tallied eight points and made mistakes that enabled Miami to score four points. That's a net result of four points in nine go-to forays. Compare this with the 1.1 points per possession that NBA teams expect to produce.

In the last 90 seconds, with the game already lost, here's what else Carter did:


Made a tricky driving layup.
Missed two free throws.
Missed a layup.
Bagged a long 3-ball.
All of these latter deeds came too late to influence anything except the point spread.

The last perpetrator of the Nyets' folderoo was on New Jersey's bench: Lawrence Frank, who put the game in Carter's shaky hands, knowing full well VC's history of choking in the clutch during the money season.

Who else had major roles in the outcome?

Dwyane Wade who was floored in the second quarter, but not KOed, by a stray elbow from a driving Carter. Still groggy, Wade didn't register his initial points in the second half until 4:22 in the third quarter — and went on to spearhead the Heat's winning rally.

Antoine Walker, who actually played adequate send-half defense against Jefferson, and who kept the Heat in touch with a flurry of third-quarter 3-pointers.

Shaq, who committed his share of stupid fouls, but played incredibly agile defense when Carter tried to win the game all by himself. Interestingly enough, the Nets rarely doubled Shaq, digging from the top instead. They also made a commitment to try to deny Shaq the baseline and to push him into the middle instead. The two times he was able to turn to the baseline (from the left box), he was suckered into an offensive foul; and, when Jason Collins stepped back and failed to provide any expected resistance, he stumbled and missed an awkward side-arm jumper.

The Nets' defensive ploy worked more than it failed. If Shaq was 4-4 on dunks (via offensive rebounds and lob passes), he was only 3-10 when he wheeled to the middle.

If the game featured plenty of heroes and plenty of villains, several conclusions can be drawn from the action.

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

The Nets can't win if they don't run. Because their own transition defense was awful, because their half-court defense wasn't much better (any time Miami reversed the ball they found open shots), and because Carter disdains fast-break basketball, New Jersey mostly played half-court offense.

The Nets can't win if they let Wade get into the paint. DW was 3-8 from the perimeter, and his drives put him on the stripe 14 times (he made 13, and scored a total of 30 points).

As far as this series is concerned, maybe it's as simple as this: The Nets can't win.

Miki

pre 19 godina

Bogami, Nash je sinoc igrao odbranu itekako.
radmanovic je bio "vruc", ubacio je pet od pet za tri poena i onda 6 minuta nije primio loptu?!
Mesto toga, Casell ulaxi sa klupe, i mrtav 'ladan sutira trojku iako nije bio u igri 10 minuta a Radmanovic mu se izvuk'o desno, sam samcijat.
Naravno, promasi celu tablu i onda, kud ce sta ce, uvale mu vruc krompir, da sutira tri sekunde pre kraja.
Pola Finiksa na njemu.
Kako, keve ti da pogodi?

riquelme

pre 19 godina

The Nets can't win unless they shoot well from the outside. In addition to Krstic's 10 bricks, Carter hit only five of his 13 perimeter jumpers, and JKidd was 4-12 from the field (including 1-6 from downtown).

Kako sam se slatko nasmejao...Krstic's 10 bricks:)

total eclipse

pre 19 godina

Ja iz sve te statistike zakljucih samo jednu stvar: Finiks je jaci na spoljnim pozicijama, a Klipersi pod kosem. I to je sva mudrost. A to smo mogli da shvatimo i bez detalja iz statistike. Mislim da Finiks dobro prolazi kroz ovaj plej of samo zato sto igra protiv dve ekipe sa velikim slabostima: Klipersi su tim koji nema iskustva u plej ofu, a ima komplekse za izvoz, i moje velike simpatije za njih jos od kraja 80-ih nece to moci da promene. Lejkersi su izuzetno slab tim, sa jednim vanserijskim igracem, jednim solidnim i gomilom onih, koji bi sutra mogli da predju u Toronto, a da se to i ne primeti na rezultatima Reptorsa. I tu ne moze da pomogne jedan plejmejker, mozda bi ih ucinio malo konkurentnijim protiv Sansa, ali bi protiv Dalasa ili SA bili pocisceni, bas kao i protiv Detroita ili Majamija. Neko se u toj organizaciji malo zeznuo u vreme kad su trener i glavna zvezda otisli i oporavak ce potrajati. Bar dotle, dok neka superzvezda ne odluci da kao free agent dodje u LA zbog lagodnog zivota (vidi pod: Shaq posle Orlanda). To je prica o Lejkersima, a ne Kobijeva (nesumnjiva) sebicnost. On nema izbora.
Finiks je provincijski klub, sa velikim brojem dobrih igraca, najsmesnijim MVP-jem u istoriji (pogledajte na ESPN pricu o deset najboljih plejeva u istoriji, uporedite Nesovu statistiku sa Medzikovom i bice vam jasno), ali bez mogucnosti da se adekvatno bori za titulu.
Sto se licnih sklonosti, svakako vise volim da gledam trcanje i pucanje Sansa, nego smaracku kosarku Detroita ili SA. Samo, to nece da moze u plej ofu.

Dragan,BGD

pre 19 godina

@Milos
Najljubaznije te molim da ne menjas smisao mog teksta.Ja sam napisao da su nosioci IGRE
pomenuta tri pleja,to nema veze s odbranom.
A u predhodnom pasusu govorim da je Finiks poboljsao odbranu,sto je cinjenica i odnosi se na ceo tim.Sve je jasno i odvojeno novim pasusom.
AKO TI NESTO NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ DVA PUTA,AKO TI OPET NIJE JASNO,PROCITAJ JOS JEDNOM I SVE TAKO DOK NE SHVATIS.

@ Dragan BGD

pre 19 godina

Sorry moja greska. Ucinilo mi se ne znam sto... Kad nema LA GO NETS!!!!!!!
P.S Nisi odgovorio na moje pitanje a bas me zanima odgovor